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post #21 of 32

Looking good drool.gif

post #22 of 32
Thread Starter 




all done...and by far this is the best flavored and most tender brisket i have had yet..everyone loves it..oddly the smoke rings werent very big but that is probably becuz the rub i used was pretty thick on top of the bbq sauce. 


and Roller the only piece that was burnt on the entire brisket was the very thin flap of meat hanging off the side not covered with BBQ sauce and the rub :)

post #23 of 32

Hey, Tirrin,


I just caught this one right now...nice lookin' brisket!


Your mention of lack of smoke ring brings a couple of possibilities to mind...I'm thinking too high of smoke chamber temps (but, this would have to be in the range of 275*, or more), or the high concentration of sugars applied before the smoke had alot to do with it. I've all but stopped using sugars in my rubs...I use them in marinades at times, or brines for pork/poultry, but tend to avoid it with rubs. Oh, and I don't brine beef, per se, except brine/cure for pastrami, etc. I may be wrong, but I've never had a low & slow cooked cut of beef pork or poultry that had exposed meat (fat trimmed off) not produce a smoke ring.


I'll try to explain some of the science behind it: the smoke ring as we call it, technically isn't from the smoke in specific, but from the burning of fuels (natural gas, propane, charcoal or wood) which create nitrogen dioxide (NO2) in the smoke chamber gases.


The red or pink coloring in meat is from myoglobin, which is an unstable pigment. Myoglobin in beef is a purple/red color, until the meat is cut and the surface is exposed to oxygen, where oxymyoglobin is formed, which becomes a brighter cherry red color.  Also, during cooking at high heat, the myoglobin on and under the surface of the meat eventually turns to a gray color. Hence the term unstable pigment. 


NO2 is highly water soluable and absorbs into the moist surface of the meat, then reacts with the myoglobin in the meat at lower temperatures, and then forms nitrous acid, which in turn creates a temperature and oxygen stable pigment with the myoglobin. This stable pigment retains it's coloring, for the duration of the cooking process, while the interior meat, having the unstable pigment, begins to turn a greyish color as temperatures reach the well-done range. The stable pigment will continue to retain it's coloring after being refrigerated or frozen, and then, being reheated, hence the term stable pigment.


OK, so where does this all fit into the jig-saw puzzle with your brisket not developing a smoke ring? I would suspect the natural sugars in the honey and the processed sugars in the sauce caused a reduction in the penetration of nitrogen dioxide into the meat's surface by forming a semi-impermeable coating on the meat. This likely sealed the surface well enough to keep it moist during cooking, yet in turn prevented the natural process of the low & slow cooking with smoke in forming that "smoke ring".


I don't recall stumbling upon this particular circumstance before, where a sauce and rub were applied pre-smoke, then more sauce during the smoke, along with little or no smoke ring development, so I felt a little science behind the smoke was in order so you may be able to better understand what may be happening. Also, the development of, or lack of the smoke ring does not necessarily determine the actual smoke flavor intensity or quality. Duration of smoke, intensity of smoke, species of smoke wood(s), smoke chamber temperature, smoke chamber humidity and rate of the flow of gases through the smoke chamber (ventilation), just to mention a few, are all part of the many variables which play a role in the actual quality and quantity of the smoke flavor. Electric smokers have one inherent fault, if you will, regarding the development of smoke ring: they do not burn any fuel, therefore, the smoke ring is produced soley by the smoke wood itself, which drastically limits that characteristic in the finished product.


Oh, a couple other things which hinder development of a smoke ring: higher temp cooking, fat on the meat, and skin on poultry.


Don't sweat the smoke ring, though...as I said, smoke ring is really just for looks...cool to see when you can make it happen, but it doesn't make the meat taste any better. So, if you like how you just made this brisket, and your family and/or guests liked it as well, stay with it. You can do a bit  of tweeking here and there, but, a good rule to follow is this: don't fix it if it ain't broke...


I'm a major tinkerer, myself, so, I'm constantly breaking that rule...LOL!


Keep on smokin', Tirrin!



post #24 of 32

Great job with that brisket!


I have never sauced a brisket before, but after seeing yours, I'll have to give it a try!



post #25 of 32

Looks like a awesome brisket. I have used a rub called Brisket Of Love from the spice house. Stuff is the best I have ever come across. Give it a try next time you do a brisky!


post #26 of 32

how did it come out ?    interested in the sauce first concept ??

post #27 of 32
Thread Starter 

well ill explain my new process which changed from the original plan..


i bought a 5lb flat..i didnt have time to go thru sam's packers that were all 12-15 lbs..so i took the flat..i didnt trim it as i wanted the the fat for moisture..after getting it prepped by cutting the squares in it to allow the sauce and rub to penetrate, i applied a generous layer of sweet baby ray's original.. my rub is ez..honestly i mix a lot of things together until it smells good..for this particular brisket my rub consisted of Weber's Roasted Garlic and Herb, Granulated Garlic, Ground Black Pepper, Seasoned Salt, Onion Powder, Paprika, and when i ran out of onion powder i supplemented in Lemon Pepper but only on the fatty side.  i kept the temp between 225 and 250 and smoked it for about 7 hours before i brought it inside and put in an aluminium tray covered in aluminium foil for about half an hour..


its pretty simple, and the flavor was really really good.. i never mixed in honey or mopped it during the smoking, and the flavor that came out was really something, and it was very tender.


and eric thank you for your explanation..my previous briskets have all been trimmed up and the smoke rings were quite evident..on this brisket you can see it on the sides and a little on the bottom. the sauce like you said is likely the reason..like i mentioned earlier i applied a generous layer of it and with it getting into the cuts in the meat it probably just blocked the NO2 from getting in..all in all it was a great brisket.



Edited by Tirrin - 7/29/11 at 1:34pm
post #28 of 32

That does look really good. Great color. You'd think all those sugars would have burned more. icon14.gif

post #29 of 32

   This may be a good place to put forth my .02 worth.I firmly believe that heat and pressure are the same and that moisture hitting the bottom of a cooker makes a humid enviornment,and that opening the lid,or a leaky smoker causes a longer cooking process espescially on tough/high collegen meats like Brisket and Butt.Left alone the meat will (in a manner)baste itself and  with spritzing or extra liquid only cools the meat and extends the cook even longer.

   I understand the hot and fast,but I preffer the Low n'slow,just like my lifestyle.LOLPlus,I am a Pyromaniacdevil.gif and this way I don't get into troublebanana_smiley.gif.

post #30 of 32

im doing my first brisket this weekend. i think im going with your recipe al. its a 10 pounder i ll cut in half to fit in my vertical smoker. can you give me an estimate on how long this cook will take at 250 degrees to reach an internal temp of 200.

post #31 of 32
Originally Posted by JoeB1964 View Post

im doing my first brisket this weekend. i think im going with your recipe al. its a 10 pounder i ll cut in half to fit in my vertical smoker. can you give me an estimate on how long this cook will take at 250 degrees to reach an internal temp of 200.

A good estimate is 2 hours per pound, that's including the rest period. If it gets done early just wrap it in foil & towels & put it in a dry cooler.


It will stay hot for 6+ hours.

post #32 of 32

pepsi.gifpopcorn.gif,this will be worth watching,Hmmmmm

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