Summer sausage with no casing question.

Discussion in 'Sausage' started by radio, Jul 26, 2014.

  1. radio

    radio Smoking Fanatic

    A neighbor made up a big batch of venison/beef/cheese summer sausage, but ran out of casings and gave me two big logs.  We live almost an hours drive from the nearest source, so I am having to smoke it with no casing.  Any ideas, hints, or advice?[​IMG]

    I don't have any parchment paper, only butcher paper and don't want to use that, so it's in the smoke naked[​IMG]  

    Update:

    They look so small! :-( Bigger one is 18-20 inches long. They have a nice, crisp "skin" on them with a snap to it very much like a casing.
    Pulled them at 160° internal temp and just had to sample one! Darned tasty I tell you! He used the mix from Bass Pro Shops and it has a pretty good amount of spices in it, but not bad at all. Cant wait to sample some of his in the casings he is cooking tomorrow


     
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2014
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  2. szynka

    szynka Fire Starter

    Not exactly an easy task to smoke a caseless sausage, but you did your best.  I do think, however, that you overcooked it. 
     
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  3. daveomak

    daveomak Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member


    Why is it over cooked.....

    Ground meat, for safety reasons, should be cooked to 160 ish.....
     
  4. woodcutter

    woodcutter Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    They do look tasty! 160 is a little higher than I go with summer sausage but the chubs look like you brought the temp up nice and slow and the outside is as tender as the middle. They look great from here!
     
  5. szynka

    szynka Fire Starter

    Since the meat rolls developed that solid crust, to me it looks like the IT was higher than 160.  Or the meat spent way too much time in the smoker, or it was baked at a very high temp for a short period of  time (but judging from the texture, I would say it was the former.) It's not only the IT itself that determines when your meat is cooked properly, but also how you achieve that IT.
     
  6. dirtsailor2003

    dirtsailor2003 Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Radio, Bearcarver has a great recipe/tutorial here for caseless pepperoni and caseless sticks. We have made them many times and they always turn out great.
     
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  7. disco

    disco Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    I agree with Case. I have made Bears sticks and loafs several times and the only downside is I have friends who want some. Also, I don't agree the skin on your smoke is too dark. The colour of the surface depends on the amount of fat, the type of smoke and the smoker you use. They look great to me!

    Disco
     
  8. radio

    radio Smoking Fanatic

    I could have pulled it at 155° IT and let it rest and the temp would have come up a bit.  I used a probe in the center of the log, so know within a fraction what the temp was.  He put cheddar in the logs, not high temp cheese and there was no casing, so it kinda melted on the surface.  Smoked in my trusty New Braunfels which holds a very steady temp which was monitored with a second probe at grate level and it never rose above 227°

    The color you are seeing is a result of the Manzanita wood I used for smoke.  It acts very much like Cherry and gives a wonderful dark, rich color to the meat

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    I took about a Pound with me to the shop today and gave one guy a slice.  In less than 15 minutes about 10 others had heard about it and came begging for a sample and it all disappeared.

    IMHO it was not overcooked at all.  I purposely took it to 160 IT as I did not prepare the meat and did not know if proper handling had been followed.  Better safe than have gastric distress[​IMG]

    Almost forgot.  It was in the smoke for about 3 1/2- 4 hours, so as thin as the logs were, it didn't cook too quickly at all, but it definitely was not cold smoked
     
  9. radio

    radio Smoking Fanatic

  10. szynka

    szynka Fire Starter

    As I said in my earlier post, you did your best under the circumstances.  But without any intent to offend you personally, the picture of the smoked meat roll you posted does is not exactly that appealing.  But if that's the level of sausage smoking you want to reach, then congratulations and I'm glad your friends liked it.
     
  11. radio

    radio Smoking Fanatic

    "The level of sausage smoking I want to reach"  Sorry, but there is no way to take that except as condescending.  We are all on here (or most of us anyway) to learn from,  help others and share our smoking experiences whether good or bad, unlike some of the other smoking forums where it seems like sarcasm and backbiting is the order of the day.

    I admit it wasn't the prettiest thing I ever smoked what with the cheese melting and forming unattractive blobs, and had it been in a casing, it would have been more presentable.  I also did not doctor the pics with editing software and they were a bit on the dark side.

    Happy smokin'
     
  12. disco

    disco Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Well said, radio. You did a good smoke. You enjoyed the smoke. I enjoyed the post and Qview. Don't let someone of limited class take away from that. Keep smoking, keep eating, keep having fun! Keep posting too!

    Disco
     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2014
  13. daveomak

    daveomak Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    HEY RADIO !!!!!!!! I'd eat it any day..... looks delicious to me..... :drool:
     
  14. radio

    radio Smoking Fanatic

    Thanks Disco and Dave[​IMG]   This is a great site, and still the friendliest and most helpful by far!  It's good to read about successful smokes, but equally as good to read about the less than perfect ones so we can all learn from it and hopefully not make the same mistakes.  Not every smoke is going to be text book perfect, or worthy of a TV show, but most of 'em are still

    edible at least[​IMG]

    The only thing I smoked that I have been unable to eat was some smoked/baked potatoes I forgot about and left on for waaaay too long  No alcohol was involved either[​IMG]
     
  15. disco

    disco Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Har! We have all had less than "perfect" smokes. The thing I find amazing is that we are usually our own worse critics. I have had complements about food I thought was a failure. Once again, it all comes down to personal taste.

    Disco
     
  16. driedstick

    driedstick Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    GREAT JOB RADIO YOU DID A GREAT JOB I WOULD EAT THOSE ANY DAY!!!! 

    A full smoker is a happy smoker

    DS 
     

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