smoking my frist brisket today

Discussion in 'Beef' started by btnune, Jun 28, 2014.

  1. So im smokeing my frist brisket today. I put the dry rub on last night wraped in foil and put in frige, now iv seen some prople say to take them out of the frige1 hour before putting in smoker, and some that don't. What do you guys do?
     
  2. caribou89

    caribou89 Smoke Blower

    It's really up to you. I've got a brisket that's going on in about an hour. I pulled it out of the fridge 20 minutes ago. I'm a little short on time today so I'll take the few degrees shortcut.
     
  3. dirtsailor2003

    dirtsailor2003 Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    For beef (whole meat muscle) like a brisket, roast or steak I like to let them come up to room temp prior to cooking. With that said I don't always have the time and quite often they go on cold.
     
  4. geerock

    geerock Master of the Pit SMF Premier Member

    I pull when I think about it but I don't get too concerned about it. I put rub or other seasoning on an hour or so before smoking (for brisket I've gone to simple coarse salt and butchers grind black pepper. Maybe a bit of onion and garlic powder. I will say this.....be careful with putting foil over rubbed meat. Foil and some seasonings are reactive. Use cellophane wrap. Best of luck on that brisket.
     
  5. How long do you smoke it for keep getting difrent answers
     
  6. geerock

    geerock Master of the Pit SMF Premier Member

    Don't cook by time. Cook to internal temp of around 200. Start checking for tenderness at around 196 with a probe or toothpick. Stick the meat until probe slides in with very little resistance. Do not pull it too early! And be sure to wrap in double foil with a little liquid, wrap in a towel and drop in a cooler for at leadt an hour.....two is better. And I know the default recommendation around here is 225 cooking temp,but there is no loss of tenderness or flavor by cooking at 250, 260, or higher. Just lets you eat quicker.
     
  7. Your looking for an internal temp of around 200 degrees. You're internal temp is going to stall around 160 degrees. At this point some people wrap the brisket in foil to get through the stall period. When the brisket reaches 200 you can unwrap and let rest for 2 hours. Cooking time will vary depending on cooking temp. If your cooking at 225 it might take 1 1/2 per pound. If your cooking at 275 it will cut down that cook time. Good Luck!!!
     
  8. That's funny. We posted almost the same thing at the same time!!!!!!
    Geerock's response wasn't there when I was typing mine. Guess you got your answer!!!
     
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  9. dirtsailor2003

    dirtsailor2003 Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Unlike what's been said I rarely take my briskets to an IT of 200, unless I'm going to pull it and not slice it. I like to use the tooth pick method of checking for doneness. When the pick slides in without resistance in ultisols spots the meat is done. I start checking when the meats IT hits 185. I'll continue to check every 20-30 minutes. I've had them be done at 185-195, just depends on the brisket.
     
  10. noboundaries

    noboundaries Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    For the OP just understand what is happening to the brisket as you smoke/cook it.

    1. It absorbs heat from the hot, smoky air once put on the smoker.

    2. It will warm up until it "stalls," the point which the muscle starts "sweating" out water from the cells.  Experience indicates this usually happens anywhere between 150F and 170F internal temperature (IT).  The stall can last as little as an hour to several hours.  Each brisket you put on the smoker is different.

    3.  You need to decide at this point if you are going to double wrap in foil with a little liquid like beef broth (1/2 cup) or not wrap.  Since this is your first brisket, my recommendation would be to wrap it, seal it tight, then stick your meat probe through the foil into the thickest part of the "flat."

    4.  Put it back on the smoker, don't worry if the IT drops (remember, the meat has been sweating), and let the IT rise until 200F.  Brisket gets its internal moisture from melted connective tissue.  The connective tissue does not start melting until 170F IT.  Connective tissue is what makes brisket one tough cut of meat so it must melt for the meat to get tender.  Smoking/cooking it too long will cause all the connective tissues to melt out of the meat.  It will fall apart but be dry and powdery tasting.

    5.  Probe the flat with a toothpick at an IT of 200F (or 195 like mentioned above).  It should slide in like pushing into room temp butter.  I recommend 200F IT because that is generally a good result point for both slicing or chopping.

    6.  Pull it off the smoker, leave it wrapped, and cover it with towels on the counter or in a cooler for an hour or two.

    7.  Open the foil, save the au jus, slice and serve with some of the au jus.  Only slice what you need.    

    8.  Put the leftovers in the fridge, including the au jus.  The next day scrape the fat off the jus and throw the fat away.  What remains is the gelatin, which is the melted connective tissue.  Slice what you need and add a little of the gelatin to the slices.  Warm and eat. 
     
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  11. Textbook!!!
     
  12. Thanks noboundaries as a ruff guss in your experanxe about how long into the smoking does the stall happen, I know it hard to tell do to so many factors, Im having friends over and I dont want to be odsevly staring at the temp gage,
     
  13. geerock

    geerock Master of the Pit SMF Premier Member

    I have to disagree with 5 oclock about unwrapping the meat when IT is reached. Leave it wrapped for the rest. The magic happens while resting. As for checking with probe? Dirtsailor has had them done at 185 so start checking early. I have never had one done below 195 and I never pull, only slice, but thats a good reason to start checking early. Different meats, different techniques, different therms...... all make a difference. With brisket you need patience. If you pull it too early you lose a lot of the tenderness and sometimes can get an expensive piece of cooked shoe leather. One last thing.....that 1 1/2 hours at 225 usually is optimistic. With stall and rest 225 tends to be 1 3/4 or thereabouts. Another reason to cook at a bit higher temp. Gets you done quicker and helps drive you through the stall. Always good to be done earlier than having people waiting to eat, cause if they're waiting you are going to pull early and everyone may be disappointed. Finish early and its ok because brisket, if tightly wrapped, will stay for several hours and still be hot and delicious.
     
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  14. That was a mistype on my part. I wasn't reading what I was typing. Should have been rest for two hours and unwrap. My bad.
     
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  15. Today is my first real brisket smoke as well.  Hopefully we both have success

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  16. noboundaries

    noboundaries Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Depends on the size of your brisket and the temp you are smoking.  I tend to smoke briskets at 250-275 and the stall happens about 2.5 to 4 hours into the smoke for a smaller 8 lbs brisket.
     
  17. caribou89

    caribou89 Smoke Blower

    I did a 11lb brisket today at 300-325 it passed the probe test in 5.5 hours. She's wrapped and resting in the ole FTC method. Gunna cooler it for a few hours total since dinner is still a few hours away.
     
  18. noboundaries

    noboundaries Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    If you'll notice I didn't put any chamber temps in my directions above because I didn't want to start any discussions on the best temp to smoke briskets.  If you want a long smoke, 225F.  A short smoke, you can go up to 350F.  It all works.  Sure, there are variances in the smoke ring and bark, but I've cooked too many juicy, tender, flavor-packed briskets over the years in the oven at 350F before I started smoking to discuss which is the right chamber temp. I have used 250-275F smoking briskets because that's where my WSM liked to cruise.  Heck, I've even put briskets on at 225F and let the temp climb to as high as 315F (fell asleep).  Didn't matter, came out great.     

    That said, I just got a BBQ Guru DigiQ DX2 for my WSM for Father's Day.  It basically turns my WSM into a true smoky "convection" type oven because it holds temps so nicely and keeps the air moving in the smoker, which cooks the meat faster at any given temperature due to greater heat transfer.  I am looking forward to doing all kinds of temp experiments with it over the summer.  Tomorrow, two whole chickens, 6.5 lbs each, 99 cents/lb.  They are injected and in the brine.   Think I'll set the Guru at 325F and beer can the chickens.   

    Looking forward to your brisket pics caribou 89.  Looking forward to everyone's brisket pics!  
     
  19. caribou89

    caribou89 Smoke Blower

    I'm a 100% believer in the hot and fast method now. This is maybe the best brisket I've had in several years. When you cut the point, juices just flow out. Even the flat is nice and juicy.
     
  20. Mine came out pretty good a little dryer than I would have liked, I eather cooked too long or because I did not inject it or us a wet rub before I put it in the smoker. Not sure wich, o well live and learn.
     

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