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Discussion in 'Charcoal Smokers' started by pandemonium, Jul 7, 2010.
talk about price gouging
WOW maybe I should sell mine to fund building 10 more??
he doesnt even put handles or nipples and a valve haha and hes putting two racks in a normal sized drum so theres no way he has good clearance from the fire? Jeff probably wont like this thread but i couldnt resist lol
Rocky Richmond of Big Drum Smokers is considered the father of the UDS by most big BBQ forums. His drums are very heavy guage and the people who own them are quite happy with them.
Check out this thread, particularly Post #6
You should learn a little something about the history of a product before you go out of your way to bash someone.
Whats your point? Theres a sucker out there for everything, and he will find them. If they choose to be raked over the coals because they didn't do their homework then so be it, but its still just a BARREL
And what i cant say my opinion on it i wasnt bashing him yet lol
As long as Rocky can sleep at night its all good.
I didn't take this as the builder was getting raked over the coals so to speak. The UDS (BDS) certainly produce great results. His prices are rather high but to each his own. I think there is a smoker for the right price for everyone and allot of folks love the UDS and if some are willing to pay up to $1,200 for one of these more power to them. Myron Mixon was selling garbage can smokers for near $300. I said was... They are not on his site any more. Just my opinion... I'd before I paid $1200 or even $600 for one of the BDS smokers I'd put $1600 towards a Yoder Wichita.
I meant the uninformed buyer is the one getting raked, yes to each his own, i just thought it was post worthy and cant get over the fact that he has put as minimal work into them as i have ever seen and is asking for twenty times or more what its worth, good old USA
It is post worthy. As I looked down the price list of models I started to cringe! I never would have thought those would sell for those prices, but you know.. Beauty and affordable price I guess is in the eyes and minds of the beholder.
You guys seem to be forgetting one thing.
As a business, his costs for material & time involved, has to be accounted for.
As an example, if he's getting new steel drums, well that's at least 100 bucks a pop. then there's the racks, the mesh, stainless nut's bolts. etc. his time to manufacture.
Go out and price all the bits you used to make your drum and then figure how much time you spent making it.
Also, some people don't want to bother making one, or can't make one for whatever reason. For them it's worth spending that bit extra to receive a ready made product.
Speaking for myself, i'm not forgeting or not realizing the cost of materials, time etc. As I stated to each his own. I will stand behind my humble opinion that the higher end of his price range to me, as I said, made me cringe. I also stated that they do produce quality results and if folks like them, beauty and value or affordable price is in the eye of the beholder. More power to those who buy them and like them. Some of those prices make me cringe for what they are. One could buy a Yoder smoker or something like it for those prices.Buy a Yoder and you get a lifetime burnout warranty. Again my opinion and I'm not bashing the builder or those who buy them or cook on them. Just my opinion. You all have a great day!
I also didn't forget the price to build them as i just built 2 and yes i didn't use new barrels and i paid about 115$ for the custom gators one with way more time and mine are way better built than his, i mean man he didn't put anything in his. its ridiculous in my opinion, but I'm sure this isn't his full time job so he figures either he will make a killing or wont sell one, and that's fine too, ohh and dont get me going on how he put two cooking racks in a reg sized barrel with no dome lid?
Boy, and I thought the ones selling on craigslist were high @ $200 (give or take $50), and they looked alot better built, and they're newly built too, not used. Makes no sense to me.
My point is that he was building BDS smokers LONG before anyone knew what a UDS was. The UDS is a knockoff clone of his BDS and he went to a lot of trouble figuring out how to make it work so the rest of us who didn't want to spend the money to buy one of his could copy his design.
I just think a little respect for the pioneer of BDS/UDS is in order.
How do you know that he has put minimal work into it? Because there's no nipples, valve, handles or pretty paint job? Lots of folks just drill holes and use fridge magnets or some other device to control airflow. Can't see the inside of the drum from the pics. You don't know what the charcoal basket looks like. Maybe it's all welded stainless steel.
Umm . . . okay . . . and why don't you think that would work for some of his customers? Because the 2 that you built weren't done that way? Maybe the bottom rack is for chicken. Maybe he uses a diffuser plate on the shorter ones. Lots of ways to make it work. Just because it doesn't fit your concept of how the UDS should be doesn't mean he doesn't know what he is doing.
I know I shouldn't say anything here, because I know next to nothing. But if you browse that site a bit, and look at the prices of the products, replacement parts, and compare to the pictures, he must feel that his effort no matter how little must be worth way more than the product, because those prices are ridiculous. Sorry, but IMHO I must agree with pandemonium, those prices just don't match the product.
You're certainly entitled to your opinion as is pandemonium. I would say that it is hard to tell if the price matches the product unless one can see the product in person. Clearly they match the product for many people because he is still selling them.
I guess it's more of an accounting question . . .. what are they worth?? What ever he can get someone to pay for them.
But too often we jump to conclusions about the "worth" of things based on our own experience or willingness to pay. What is the difference between a $40 Teltru dial thermo and a $3 ebay special? Many folks would say $37. But I would disagree. Quality of materials AND workmanship are the difference.
Congrats on discovering the bds . now the prices he charges are rediculus for the quality .
For his prices there should be brass ball valves on risers for any intake. should have domed lid etc etc.
I believe in paying a man a fair price for his talents and labor but the big ones dont cost anymore than $250 in material if you go top of the line everything . If it takes you over $750 in labor you shouldn't ever have tools in your hand.
Dave if he did indeed invent the uds then thats great and i thank him, but i did not read that in the link you posted.He must be a friend of yours or you know him from another board? All i am saying is hes a hack!! and a crook in my mind and after seeing his pic, well yes he looks like a scumbag to boot, and as far as the basket he sells that as well for a mere 35$ oh thats just a ring not the basket an yes thats bolts holding it together lol look Dave i didnt want to argue with you, you seem like a good guy and having a uds yourself you must see the insanity in his prices and quality? just my opinion and nothing more you dont have to agree with me.