well a friend of mine brought some sticks to work. BBQ and jalapeno cheese. they were awsome. so i asked him where he got the seasoning. he told me Excalibur in pekin. seems it was right on my way to the gun shop i frequent. just a block of the road i traveled. so i checked it out. 25 lb mix for the sticks was $8.00. thats a real good price. just so happens they have it all. summer sausage was $6.75. its all for 25 lb batches. but i got it at raibers meats for $4.99 the same seasoning frm excal. raibers meats it where i got the high heat cheese. he told me about it too. its $22.99 for 5 lbs. thats $3 a lb cheaper than lem where its $7.99 lb. WOW. sweet. got itialian hot sausage for $4.00, regular itialian for $4, swiss brat mix for $2.50. bologna for $6.00, smoking jalapeno stick mix $6.75, and maple sausage $3.00. you cant beat that. 2 sticks of 21 mm casings for $7.20. so im getting ready to grind some roasts tonight and make a 25 lb batch of BBQ sticks. ill post results soon. these were best ive had. better than any lockers. heres a link. http://www.excaliburseasoning.com/de...sp?PageIndex=5 also just got a new 3 lb cast manual stuffer so no more using grinder to stuff. $32 and came with 3 tubes.