AMNPS will not stay lit in my MES 30

Discussion in 'Electric Smokers' started by deerman13-2, Sep 13, 2013.

  1. deerman13-2

    deerman13-2 Newbie

    I have tried it 3 times for cold smoking and it burns out every time. I used it with the chip loader in and the chip pan in and put it on the very bottom of the smoker beside the chip pan and it burned out. I kept it in the same spot and pulled the chip pan and the loader out still burned out. I kept it in the same spot and pulled the chip pan but left the loader in and just pulled it out a little and it burned out. Not even one row of fully burned pellets yet. I microwaved the pellets for 45 secs then light the pellets with a torch and let the flame go for about 5 mins then blow it out and light again and blow out again so there is 3/4" of ashes to burn. Could somebody help me with this.
     
  2. kathrynn

    kathrynn Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Do you have it near one of the "vents".....it needs air flow to keep it "burning". Also...you can always send Todd a PM and he will be happy to help troubleshoot.

    Kat
     
  3. deerman13-2

    deerman13-2 Newbie

    No I have it on the bottom of the smoker to the left of the chip pan but i tried it with the loader out and the chip pan out. Plenty of air to keep it smoldering.
     
  4. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Did you try it like below, or is your MES 30 a Gen 2, with the small water pan on the left, instead of the big water pan like the one below?

    Bear

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  5. foamheart

    foamheart Smoking Guru OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    You know he'll never see where you've got your pellet tray located when your flashing your bacon at him........
     
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  6. deerman13-2

    deerman13-2 Newbie

    Just like that setup but my MES is smaller than that. Barely enough room to fit but its in the same spot
     
  7. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Then the only things is, you may not be getting it lit properly.

    Try leaving all of your MES parts where they belong.

    Then light one end of your AMNPS until it flames.

    Then let it burn until the flame goes out.

    Then blow on the burning pellets, down & in towards the unburned pellets until the flame lights up again.

    Then let the flame go out again.

    Then blow down & in again until it flames up.

    Do this again & again, maybe 4 times.

    Try to blow it hard enough to get a good deep bed of pellet coals in the bottom.

    Then the next time the flame goes out, put it on the bars to the left of the chip burner.

    Don't push it tight against the back wall.

    Sounds like a PITA, but it's worth it when it keeps burning until you run out of pellets.

    Bear
     
  8. chiefp

    chiefp Fire Starter

    After months of trying absolutely everything, I've given up trying to keep mine lit. I'm in Vegas and believe the altitude has something to do with it. But in the end, you have to have air flow or it won't stay lit. I have found I can keep the dust going though. It doesn't put out much smoke, I think it's barely burning, but it does stay lit. I light both ends and get just a trickle out of the top.
     
  9. Have you tried the mailbox mod? A lot of us with the MES 30, UDS, Smokehouses & some with the MES 40 have done it & it works great!

    http://www.smokingmeatforums.com/t/...0-new-pictures-for-attaching-elbow-to-mailbox
     
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  10. bgosnell151

    bgosnell151 Smoking Fanatic

    I have had good success letting it flame for 4-5 minutes, blowing it out, the using a heat gun on it for about a minute. It will flame back up, blow it out and repeat. After I do this twice or three times, the pellets are hard to blow out... that's when I know I have it.
     
  11. chiefp

    chiefp Fire Starter

  12. You're quite welcome  [​IMG]    I am very happy with the results - no worries about keeping stuff from dripping on your pellets, easy to add pellets on a long smoke without opening the smoker & it adds no heat at all when cold smoking at borderline temps when it's warmer out  [​IMG]
     
  13. chiefp

    chiefp Fire Starter

    I read through that thread and bought some more pellets and will be doing this first thing Sat. Question though; whats the problem with using galvanized aluminum? Aren't all mailboxes galvanized too? I get it's a safety thing...but why? It's not getting hot enough to transfer chemicals...is it?

    Scott
     
  14. Why is it on this site that there is so little acknowledgement of the Masterbuilt electric cold smoker .It works and works well . I use it for normal smoking and if you put ice in the MES I would bet it would work fine for cheese and such . When I first got it I broke it in with MES shut down and it raised temp from 70 degrees to 85 degrees and that was with no ice . In colder weather I would bet that there would be no problem doing a cold smoke with it . It will burn Chips ,small chunks,pellets and broke up charcoal . It will run for about 6 hours on a full load . Bass Pro has them cheap too . Just can't figure out why so many people are going crazy trying to keep the AMNPS lit when the Masterbuilt cold smoker is such a no brainer ,true set it and forget it . 
     
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  15. I like the AMNPS better than the Masterbuilt cold smoker for several reasons - it's cheaper, generates smoke twice as long, doesn't have the parts to wear out or fail & doesn't take up an extra outlet. That makes it a clear cut winner for me  [​IMG]   Everyone's situation is different though - it's obvious you are pleased with your Masterbuilt electric cold smoker & that's great. Different strokes for different folks  [​IMG]
     
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  16. chef jimmyj

    chef jimmyj Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator Group Lead OTBS Member

    I have been using an AMNPS for over two years and just bought a second one for my second MES 40. I have only had it go out once and that was because I was using pellets that had been left outside during a very Humid week. 90 seconds in the Microwave and the AMNPS made 10 hours of TBS. There are thousands of these devices out there and there only seems to be ONE post like this a month. If there are problems keeping it lit, it is not the AMNPS fault. What type of Pellets are you using? Cherry does not burn well by itself and has to mixed or layered with another type. Deerman, you don't have your location listed, at what elevation do you live? Others have described problems at higher elevations. Discuss your situation with Todd and give as much detail as possible...JJ 
     
  17. bearcarver

    bearcarver Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Nothing left for me to say that JJ & Smoking B didn't already say, except I have been using my AMNS for 4 years, and my AMNPS since they came out, and I have never had trouble getting them lit, or keeping them lit. I get 11 hours of perfect smoke with either of them.

    The only thing wrong with the AMNS was the burning sawdust would jump rows if you used it at temps over 200* -220*, but the AMNS was designed for cold smoking.

    The AMNPS was designed to solve that problem, and I can use my AMNPS in heat as high as my MES 40 will go.


    Bear
     
  18. bgosnell151

    bgosnell151 Smoking Fanatic

    What brand pellets do you use?  I only use A-Maz-N pellets and they smoke for hours.
     
  19. tjohnson

    tjohnson Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator Insider OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    What's your altitude?

    Which Pellets are you using?......Cherry can be a PITA on it's own!!

    Sounds like there's not enough airflow thru your smoker and/or the pellets are not started correctly

    Airflow is usually the issue

    I'm cold smoking 20# of bacon right now, and using my MES 40


    12 hours of nice smoke

    I filled another row with apple pellets, and still did not get the color I wanted, so decided to fill the center row with Pitmaster's Choice Pellets to finish off the job

    AMNPS filled with Apple Pellets on the rails

    Chip pan pulled out about 1 1/2"

    Chip loader removed

    Exhaust vent wide open

    Water pan installed to distribute smoke

    It VERY important to allow the flame to burn for 10 minutes, in-order to get a good bed of coals

    5 minutes is usually not enough time

    A heat gun or hair dryer can be used to speed up the process

    Todd
     
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2013
  20. tjohnson

    tjohnson Smoking Guru Staff Member Moderator Insider OTBS Member SMF Premier Member

    Here's the SIMPLE answer........

    Masterbuilt has claimed for years, that there is NOTHING wrong with their smokers, and they produce good smoke.  Then, after I've had great success with an accessory that works fantastic in the MES 30 and MES 40, they come out with a "Cold Smoker Kit". 

    But remember, there's nothing wrong with their MES 30 or MES 40.........Right?

    Quote from BassPro:

    "Cold Smoker allow you to smoke foods consistently at temperatures as low as 100° to 120° F"

    For Real?

    Did they even research the definition of "Cold Smoking" before they wrote this product description?

    Try using the MES Cold Smoker Kit on a gas grill or Weber Kettle?

    How about a Propane Upright?

    Will it attach to a cardboard box?

    A Fridge Conversion?

    Oh, and if you want to teach your buddy how to smoke, you gotta lug the Cold Smoker Kit to his house and attach it to his smoker.  But, if your buddy doesn't own a MES 30 or MES 40, you're out of luck.

    And, I'm sorry to all those thousands of customers who did not receive a power cord with their AMNPS, but rumor has it, THE AMNPS DOES NOT USE ANY ELECTRICITY!

    So, there's my answer.

    Todd
     

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