2nd try at hot dogs

Discussion in 'Sausage' started by viper1, Feb 26, 2012.

  1. viper1

    viper1 Meat Mopper

    Well went to make a batch of hot dogs the other day and they come out looking so bad they looked like a dog turd. LOL So back on the horse today. Mixed up 7 lbs 50/50 pork and beef and added 8 oz. of cheddar cheese. Made up some old style hot dogs. 1 1/4 diam 6 inches log and boy the taste good.

    Well ground the meat three times then emulsified it.


    Stuffed and waiting to cook[​IMG]

    Got to watch them roasters this one was off 150 degrees.[​IMG]

    Ok waters ready every body into the pool!


    And when all goes right you end up with these.

  2. ronrude

    ronrude Meat Mopper

    Nice looking dogs.  Did you use any seasonings as well as the meat and cheese or just straight meat?
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  3. jrod62

    jrod62 Smoking Guru Group Lead OTBS Member

    looks good [​IMG]
  4. viper1

    viper1 Meat Mopper


    2 level. tspns. Prague Powder #1 

    4 tblspns. uniodized salt ( I cut this back to 2 TBS.  first batch was too salty for me.)

    10 lbs. lean beef chuck 

    1 pint icewater ( I didn't add water to mine)

    4 tblspns. paprika 

    4 tblspns. dry powdered mustard 

    1 tspn. white pepper 

    1 tspn. black pepper 

    1-1/2 tspns. ground celery seeds 

    1 tblspn. coriander 

    2 tspn. garlic powder 

    2 cups soy protein concentrate 

    4 tblspns. powdered dextrose 

    I decided to use pork / beef and I had to do some math because I did 7 lb. I marked my changes. It's the hobble creek recipe if you want to goggle it.

    Pretty good dogs! 
  5. boykjo

    boykjo Sausage maker Staff Member Moderator Group Lead OTBS Member

    Cool dogs vipe......... Did you chunck the cheese or is it ground with the meat

  6. africanmeat

    africanmeat Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    yummy nice dogs
  7. viper1

    viper1 Meat Mopper

    I chunked into 3/8 pieces and folded in after emulsifying.
  8. scarbelly

    scarbelly Smoking Guru OTBS Member

    Those look mighty tasty. Thanks for the recipe
  9. uncle_lar

    uncle_lar Smoking Fanatic OTBS Member

    very nice dogs. they are on my to do list!
  10. Looking mighty good from here! Thanks for the recipe.
  11. sam3

    sam3 Smoking Fanatic

    Looks great. Hog casings or collagen?
  12. tyotrain

    tyotrain Master of the Pit

    great looking dogs.. Nice job
  13. viper1

    viper1 Meat Mopper

    Well decided if you want to make them I'd post the whole recipe. I did change a few things. First they say cook at 200degrees but at that temp your meat will fat out. So don't go over 160 degrees and done at 150 degrees. I also grind three times and emulsify. I like the 32 mm or 1 1/4 casings as they give a hot dog about the size of a Brat and really fill the bun. I make them in one long lenght and tie off every 6 inches. I also used cologne casings and peel after cooking and cooling them. Usually there is enough grease that they pretty much just push right out of the casings. Then you use warm water to remove grease from dog and let dry. Hope this helps some prevent all the mistakes I had to do to get to this point.

    [USA] "Hobble Creek Hot Dogs" 

    (Ranch-Made All-Beef Frankfurters) 

    10 lbs. lean beef chuck  ( i used 1/2 pork 1/2 80/20 hamburger)

    2 level. tsp. Prague Powder #1 (Cure #1)

    4 tablespoons. unionized salt  

    1 pint ice water 

    4 tablespoons. paprika 

    4 tablespoons. dry powdered mustard 

    1 tsp. white pepper 

    1 tsp. black pepper 

    1-1/2 tsp. ground celery seeds 

    1 tablespoon. coriander 

    2 tsp. garlic powder 

    2 cups soy protein concentrate (or Powdered dry milk will work)

    4 tablespoons. powdered dextrose 

    To make all-beef frankfurters, cut nearly-frozen meat into inch chunks then grind them through a 3/8" plate. Grind ‘em again through a 3/16" plate using a little ice water to keep the plate and knives cool. Mix all the dry ingredients together with the Prague Powder then stir the mixture into some of the ice water for even distribution in the meat. Finally, mix every ingredient together, including the meat, making sure the curing agent is distributed entirely throughout the sausage. Emulsify the sausage in small batches inside a food processor, using ice water as needed to thin the mixture slightly and reduce the stress on the motor. Do not over process the meat. When a sticky paste develops, start another batch, refrigerating the last. 

    Stuff the sausage into 29-32 m.m. hog casings, 24-26 sheep casings, or plastic casings in desired lengths. Our gang always liked 22 m.m. "foot longs" in tender sheep casings. Hang the franks inside your kitchen thirty minutes or more, then cook them in 160° F. (93° C.) hot water until the internal meat temperature reaches 150° F. (66° C.). Use a probe-type thermometer with a cable and alarm. Immediately, immerse them in ice water, lowering the internal meat temperature to room temperature. Allow the franks to bloom in the refrigerator overnight before eating them. 

    You can smoke at 160 also till 150 IT.
  14. viper1

    viper1 Meat Mopper

    Going to try re-posting these pics. See if they come out better.

    Here is the grinding

    Then stuffed them

    Then into the bath

    Cooling down note the extra grease. Normal I guess but worried me.

    Pealed and drying

    Now to compare. This is what it looks like when the water bath goes over 160 degrees and all the fat melts out.
    Dog Turds!!!

    Ok guys now you see what to do and what not to do! Hope I can prevent you from making your own Dog turds!!! lOL
  15. slownlow

    slownlow Smoking Fanatic

    Wow thanks for the recipe and re-posting the pics.  Also thanks for telling us your mistakes so we can learn!  Those dogs look very good!!
  16. Wow, those are some great looking hot dogs! I thought you were exaggerating about the other ones looking like dog turds, but ummm........I guess not lol
  17. viper1

    viper1 Meat Mopper

    Nope! And that from the best I can figure was from poaching in 180 degree water. This causes all the fat to cook out of the meat and cause it to build up in the cases. forcing the meat into weird shapes. The recipe calls for 200 degrees and that's way to high. I stayed at 159-160 and all came out good. Didn't even loose my cheese. When I smoke sausage I do low and slow and dry at 120 for an hour and step up 10 degrees an hour till 160 then finish there. Just got to learn to watch water closer. oh one other thing. If poaching in a roaster as I did the temps are so far off you cant go by them. Make sure to use a good thermometer similar to a maverick 732 or some thing. Just don't get the probes wet where the wires enter or their done. LOL
  18. hdflame

    hdflame Meat Mopper

    They look like store bought!  Great job.  Did you take any pics with them sliced so we could see how the inside texture and cheese turned out?

    I just got a stuffer today, so that means I can add chunks of cheese or onions or garlic or just about anything after the grinding is done.  Before, I was using my grinder to stuff with.  It worked, but a little pain in the a$$!  This stuffer is not only going to make it easier, but open up a lot more possibilities.

    Thanks for the pics and tips!
  19. viper1

    viper1 Meat Mopper

    Thanks everyone. After my first attempt I am proud of these! LOL No didn't think to take any money pics. But I was pleased! After emulsifying the meat had a nice smooth texture not coarse like a sausage has. The Cheese remained in pockets all through it like I hoped. Next time maybe some chopped jalapeno too! The grinder doesn't allow you to do this because while stuffing with it they grind up also. The stuffer you will like. Not only quicker but the texture will be the same as you put in. Also when emulsifying add ice water or ice to the mix. If the meat gets in the 50's it will ruin the whole batch. I do a little at a time and don't process for very long. Looking forward to a lot of pics.
  20. bluebombersfan

    bluebombersfan Master of the Pit OTBS Member

    Wow great job!!  I was hoping to try some dogs this weekend but was thinking about smoking them. 

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